The Modern Antiquarian. Ancient Sites, Stone Circles, Neolithic Monuments, Ancient Monuments, Prehistoric Sites, Megalithic Mysteries

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Blaen Glyn / Image by thesweetcheat

Did you find the cupmarked rock? Posted by cerrig
13 Sep 14ce

Craig Cerrig-gleisiad / Image by thesweetcheat

My sort of place. That track looks good for an amble. thelonious Posted by thelonious
13 Sep 14ce

Penycloddiau / Image by postman

Makes me want a slice of toast with heather honey on it thelonious Posted by thelonious
13 Sep 14ce

Pendle Hill / Image by thelonious

Thanks, it was pretty nippy but it was Boxing Day and I was stuffed up on mince pies so plenty of inner heat :-) thelonious Posted by thelonious
13 Sep 14ce

Penycloddiau / Image by postman

I'd say that at least half of the hills were covered in pink postman Posted by postman
13 Sep 14ce

Pendle Hill / Image by thelonious

Wow that looks like a pencil sketch, it's marvellous. It does make it look magical. Must have been very nippy though!! Rhiannon Posted by Rhiannon
12 Sep 14ce

Blaen Glyn / Image by thesweetcheat

Well, there are views and there's Wales.

Yep, better late than never cerrig! Wasn't expecting such a big and apparently complete cairn though. Had less success finding the Craig Cerrig Gleisiad settlement though :)
thesweetcheat Posted by thesweetcheat
12 Sep 14ce

Pendle Hill / Folklore by texlahoma

Thanks for posting this. I enjoyed listening to it very much. Pendle Hill is a special place. thelonious Posted by thelonious
12 Sep 14ce

Penycloddiau / Image by postman

Lovely heather, fantastic view. thelonious Posted by thelonious
12 Sep 14ce

Bog / Image by tiompan

If you could sprinkle a little magic dust on a stone so it could talk and tell its story, you could do worse than start with this one. Fantastic find. thelonious Posted by thelonious
12 Sep 14ce

Bog / Fieldnotes by tiompan

Bench marks and crosses are sometimes found on rock art panels as are quarrying in association with outcrops with RA .
There may be millstones too ,possibly in Northumberland ?

I prefer the decorative /doodle etc to utilitarian ,or more to the point what utility could be ascribed to the markings that couldn't be easily refuted ?

It's Schroedingers cat stuff , if you don't lift the turf it's only a rock but lifting the turf collpases the state vector .

The creation of the millstone could be seen as similar to quarrying , in fact a lot of quarrying has gone in the immediate area too , the millstone carvers would likely have been long after the RA engravers and would have noticed the rock art but it was a useful surface .

Not going on ,no problem .It's a very intersting site ,at least to some of us .
tiompan Posted by tiompan
12 Sep 14ce

Blaen Glyn / Image by thesweetcheat

You got there at last then . Posted by cerrig
12 Sep 14ce

Bog / Fieldnotes by tiompan

"The millstone is still attached to the bedrock"

Wow, that's something else. Has anything similar ever been found? Milling grain on a rock art panel? I have seen crosses and suchlike, but a 'working', utilitarian dimension is a first for me.

My last question wasn't phrased correctly: I meant that in trying to find these panels, in the digging and revealing of them, do we not break the code of 'take only memories, leave only footprints'? Which is not to say that I believe that you, or I, should not pull back the turf on prospective rocks – just that this latest find of yours, with the millstone attached, seems very important and could do with a 'serious' excavation. I am aware that there is a contradiction at the core of this, that we'd never know of the panel had the turf not been pulled back, but I'd never ascribed this 'utilitarian' aspect to rock art before, preferring the decorative, doodle theory.

Which leads me to this: the act of carving the rock art has transformed what was a piece of bedrock into a 'sacred' 'site' – i.e. that the act of carving/picking 'gives' the rock significance. Hence the desire to mill whatever it was that was milled here.

Sorry for going on etc.
ryaner Posted by ryaner
12 Sep 14ce

Blaen Glyn / Image by thesweetcheat

That's good isn't it ?
Not one Brittany site I saw had a view even remotely that good.
postman Posted by postman
12 Sep 14ce

Penycloddiau cairn / Image by postman

It's not bad is it, seeing as its only four years old, again. postman Posted by postman
12 Sep 14ce

Bog / Image by tiompan

Wow! Smörgåsbord!
Howburn Digger Posted by Howburn Digger
12 Sep 14ce

Stonehenge and its Environs / Link by Chance

Excellent, duly added to favourites :) thesweetcheat Posted by thesweetcheat
12 Sep 14ce

Bog / Fieldnotes by tiompan

There might never be an excavation ,rock art panels rarely are excavted . The millstone is still attached to the bedrock . I think the markings on the groove around the millstone were made by metal tools ,if this is confirmed then we would have stone and metal use reflecting their different period of production .
It wouldn't be the first time that different periods of use are found on the same surface . Bench marks and Christian crosses are sometimes found on rock art panels .
The act of finding a previously undiscovered panels changes the status of what was part of the landscape to an aretefact /monument i.e. non-archaeological to archaeological .
tiompan Posted by tiompan
12 Sep 14ce

Bog / Fieldnotes by tiompan

The millstone buried beside the panel is very interesting. When the excavation is done do you think they'll be able to date when it was buried? And maybe tell whether the covering over of the panel was deliberate? And, if I may, when a 'new' find is found, does not the very act of finding interfere with the archaeology? ryaner Posted by ryaner
12 Sep 14ce

Penycloddiau cairn / Image by postman

Fabulous. Wish I'd paid more attention to it now! thesweetcheat Posted by thesweetcheat
11 Sep 14ce

Penycloddiau cairn / Image by postman

Just lovely. Great location and a nice walk thelonious Posted by thelonious
11 Sep 14ce

/ Walking to Stonehenge by tjj

One day I will actually get around to Stonehenge, and your words about it being designed to be seen from afar in its landscape will no doubt resonate when I do. thesweetcheat Posted by thesweetcheat
10 Sep 14ce

/ Walking to Stonehenge by tjj

I was looking down at Amesbury from the small car park at Woodhenge so I think that must be the nearest place (X5 from Swindon or Salisbury). I did think how much you would love that walk. tjj Posted by tjj
10 Sep 14ce

/ Walking to Stonehenge by tjj

Great stuff June, really good to read about a walk in that landscape.

How far is the start point from any bus routes, do you know?
thesweetcheat Posted by thesweetcheat
10 Sep 14ce

Llanymynech Hill / Image by thesweetcheat

Hi Greenkeeper,
Thanks for coming along and adding your comments. It is a lovely part of the world and we enjoyed the walk up through the woods - but I have to say we were subject to pretty much open hostility from the golfers that we encountered once we were out in the open. I'm sure this doesn't reflect all the members though!

I would add that I live in the Cotswolds now, and it's depressing that several of the finest hillforts here have been damaged by golf courses, so I'm probably a bit prejudiced by that, sorry. Really pleased to hear you work with EH, etc. The hillfort ramparts that double as Offa's Dyke are impressive along the edge of the hill.

I would love to get back there at some point, there's lots of other stuff in the area that time didn't allow us to visit.
thesweetcheat Posted by thesweetcheat
10 Sep 14ce
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