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Image Credit: wiccaman9Posted by wiccaman9 30th January 2016ce |
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Great , thanks Aron .That clarifies it . It doesn't help that the markings are not too clear but I don't think your plan is similar to what is seen on the stone . If we accept the 2003 D.A.J. drawing as being close it is quite different . Further problems are the unlikeliness of a bird's eye view as opposed to the more obvious "view from " . Where are the precedents ? Others have claimed that some motifs in UK/Irish rock art motifs depict landscapes and sometimes represenations of the sky but they have always failed the test . If you have four or five cups or raised sections they could be argued to represent anything . Where is the boundary i.e. the penannular ,in the landscape . ? If it represents a particular territory we might expect some obvious natural markers for that , e.g. streams , big rocks etc . |
Posted by tiompan30th January 2016ce |
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Hey there, Surely we are all entitled to our opinions!? I'm not an authority of the Bronze-Age mind, nobody could claim to be! Where's the harm in hypothesising? The depictions have intrigued many a researcher/antiquarian for 150+ years and undoubtedly will continue to... I suggested the possibility of the ring could indicate a 'possible' boundary, but quite simply, it could be a carving to define the carvings within? |
Posted by wiccaman9 30th January 2016ce |
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Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion ,that's why I expressed mine . Nothing wrong with putting forward an hypothesis and similarly nothing wrong with pointing out perceved problems with hypotheses . Yes ,the engravings have intrigued many for a long time , the famous 120 (or is it 110 ?) list from Morris gets a small number of additions over the years ,but I don't believe any examples from the thousands of potential examples in the UK Ireland have ever been proved to be convincing maps of the local landscape or heavens . I would suggest that the penannular does define the enclosed engravings but does not represent a territorial /natural boundary . |
Posted by tiompan 30th January 2016ce |
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Morris's list is funny - from possible hypotheses to absolute nonsense. The fact that most of the rock art in the UK is SO ABSTRACT cf. rest of Europe/elsewhere (which has animal motifs, potential humanoid shapes, etc) is so unusual, differing from the norm. Territorial markers, walk routes/route markers, defining upland areas from lowlands, etc seem to be the most likely uses of the carvings... |
Posted by wiccaman9 30th January 2016ce |
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The abstraction makes it even more interesting for me . Yes , often found on what were probably through routes . Different explanations possible for apparently similar outcomes . |
Posted by tiompan 30th January 2016ce |
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