Thanks stu, i spent 6 hours up there today looking in detail at the area, i also walked back past the van to the opposite side of the rd and went to Barbrook 3 again just as my legs were telling me to drive home, seeing a barn owl looking for food for it's young and getting almost too close to the resident stag made it worth it though, i really need to get a life.
I must buy that book at some stage, thing is at the moment i'd rather spend it on fuel and get out there lol.
Have a think about somewhere to go this sunday and e-mail me ok, i'm up for anywhere.