Uffington White Horse forum 29 room
Image by mjobling
close

As the UWH is not strictly a megalithic site, please feel free to delete this if inappropriate.

Having now been "in" or "on" the horse and its geography, we have what might be a new theory. To wit: the neolithic site comprised the leveling of Dragon Hill*, below the horse, and a processional path(s) up to the top of the hill. It's pretty clear the tail of the horse "points" toward Dragon Hill. The path(s) were worn into the chalk through use, not as a work of art. See John North's new Stonehenge book for a discussion of viewing the setting of certain bright stars behind the hill. Something was being done on the hill in conjunction with this viewing, or to prepare for it, etc.

When Uffington Castle was being settled, the Iron Age people saw the path(s) and decided they looked like a horse/dragon, and cut the present design.

*A predecessor or imitation of, or site of similar function as, Silbury Hill? How many other "level top mounds" are there?

BuckyE wrote:
W Silbury Hill? How many other "level top mounds" are there?
There are a few mounds associated with major monuments , Dunragit , Meldon Bridge , North Mains Strathallan & Silbury , Marlborough sadly doesn't have the major monument nearby . All are Neolithic though .

I put the path theory to David Miles EH's chief archaeo a few years back when he was in the throes of discovering that UWH is prehistoric, and he showed me on the section that it couldn't have been a path.

You could have not me down with a featherlite condom, I was certain it was the only possible explaination and had taken bearings on long distance paths and correlated them with field boundaries - the paths exist and the route up to the hill but the archaeology of the figure doesn't agree.

VBB

I think the Uffington White Horse is a megalithic site! It was dated to the bronze age by an optical luminescence test. It is earlier than the iron age hillfort, that's for sure. Dragon Hill is a natural outcrop, rather than being man made, a stunning natural feature in a stunning area of natural features (manger, giants steps etc). I suspect it may have been artificially levelled by human hands.

The turf on top of the chalk is very shallow on the hill. It doesn't take long for the grass to encroach back across an unused path. If it was used in the Neolithic, then lack of use would have caused the grass to grow back pretty quick - unless of course there is a tradition of scouring from the Neolithic, through all the bronze ages (and copper!) and onto the Iron Age!

I think John North's book has many interesting theories in the realm of archaeo-astronomy (including Waylands). Theories take time to take hold and be acccepted (once upon a time, they thought that the White Horse was cut to celebrate the Saxon victory over the Danes)

These are just my thoughts and 'tis an interesting thing you pose and has got the old grey matter ticking.

Maybe it's a Cat?

WF ;-)

Having now been "in" or "on" the horse and its geography, we have what might be a new theory. To wit: the neolithic site comprised the leveling of Dragon Hill*, below the horse, and a processional path(s) up to the top of the hill. It's pretty clear the tail of the horse "points" toward Dragon Hill. The path(s) were worn into the chalk through use, not as a work of art. See John North's new Stonehenge book for a discussion of viewing the setting of certain bright stars behind the hill. Something was being done on the hill in conjunction with this viewing, or to prepare for it, etc.

When Uffington Castle was being settled, the Iron Age people saw the path(s) and decided they looked like a horse/dragon, and cut the present design.

*A predecessor or imitation of, or site of similar function as, Silbury Hill? How many other "level top mounds" are there

I'm delighted to have found a forum for this topic.
Now and again, in a dry pub chat moment, I raise the origin of the White Horse until we become fluent again. We ride the ancient horse until we fall into the present.
Anyway, it struck me clearly when thinking about the understanding of anatomy by the original artists (specifically to what extent their medical thinking involved the integrative models nowadays used e.g. in Alexander Technique and Rolfing) that the horse is plainly a representation of Great Britain.
Initially, of course, this was merely a remarkable coincidental conceptual rhyme, since the earliest known "map" is from about 500 BCE, and the Horse is about 3000 years old (from soil analysis). Also it looks like a horse. And I am no obsessive.

Nonetheless, the more I looked, the less any other possibility remained. I have, perhaps, hypnotised myself staring at this horse into an obsessive set of beliefs.
Well, at least, then, the artists who made it understood the deepest aesthetic tricks.

Can you align the front "leg" with the Western peninsula, and the next one with Wales (the unusual but deliberate bump could be Anglesea or the Mersey Estuary)? I noticed the neck aligning with the Eastern bump and the back with the dreary march along the Penines.
Scotland goes a bit funny, compass direction-wise, but the Western Isles lie where the detached limb is, and who needs Ordnance Survey orientation when you're talking about that massive and mountainous land?

Oh, yes, it works, and to a remarkable scale accuracy, when the eye is placed over the Isle of Wight.

Which brought me to thinking about what it was for. What is a map for? Exploration and invasion, I think, In the modern "Post-Norman Conquest" world. But imagine people from all over meeting up there and sitting on a blanket on "their bit" (maybe not a blanket, maybe a horse, or a nice chair). They could know their neighbours and integrate the island most efficiently. It may have been a parliamentary site. That would be funny, because the site of the White Horse itself is located in a stream of breath from those strange whistling lips.

They did something similar in ancient Egypt, didn't they? They aligned the Nile with the Milky Way, and built the tombs where big stars are in relation.
I like the possibility of a dual-purpose astronomical alignment for the horse, as well. They were clever back then, after all.

Anyway, I'm glad some of my thoughts are now announced out there. Perhaps they will resonate into culture like a big "Gee Up". Perhaps I am a mad dog barking up the wrong tree.